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Old 03-03-2011, 03:53 PM   #1
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1999 tl1000r

so, i changed the plugs again and put a new battery. no codes. the front cylinder looked pretty good a little black but the rear cylinder plug was a little wet looking and black. does anybody think i should get a hotter plug. can u run one plug hotter than the other.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tf_Y...yer_detailpage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHkkm...yer_detailpage
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Old 03-03-2011, 07:33 PM   #2
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

So you got it started...

the idle seems low. did you set the TPS and sync the throttle bodies yet? That is the next step. Also, check the rear cyl throttle body boot to make sure it did not pop off the throttle body.

Before you start buying parts blindly, get those things done first. don't worry about the plugs yet.

If you miss the sync of the TB's by just a little, or set the TPS even slightly wrong. It will run like crap, or not at all. Its very sensitive.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:06 PM   #3
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

was it cold when u started it? does it smoke or lots of exhaust gas? could be running rich. vacuum hose off.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:18 AM   #4
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

i think i had the idle set around 900-1000. just have to adjust the screw to bump it up.video makes the bike sound worse than what it was no, i have not done tb sync or tps . the bike was semi warmed b/c i started it like a 1/2-1 hr b4. was waiting for my brother w/ the camera to take the . didn't smell like it was running rich.. i'll check the boot this weekend.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:14 AM   #5
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

Your bike won't run rich. The fight always seems to be keeping it from running lean.

Go do those items mentioned above. It will surprise you how important they are.

idle spec is 1200 rpm.

There is a video of how to do those things under the yellow TL resources tab above.
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Old 03-04-2011, 12:12 PM   #6
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

i bought the sv1000 coils off ebay. to make sure the coils weren't causing a problem. i do remember doing the tps adjustment awhile back but not recently. probably a yr ago.
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:47 PM   #7
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

so started the bike w/ the sv coils and ran great. now a day or two later bike starts to run terrible. it's backfiring like i never seen b4. sounds like i was at a firing range. i'm at a loss for what to do. do i need to adjust the shims for the cams. i also have full yosh pipe, air box mod. should i put my pc3 usb back in. right now running off stock cpu
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

I just watched your video. Based on the way your bike acted and sounded, I really think your time would be well spent in balancing the throttle bodies. The vacuum balance (or imbalance) between the two TBs is most apparent at idle and small throttle openings. That's likely why your idle is so lumpy and erratic. When you revved the engine, it seemed to take throttle well, which says the ignition system (coils & plugs) are doing their job, and the valves aren't an issue. When the TB butterflies are opened up further (as when you rev it) any imbalance between the two is a much smaller percentage of the total air coming into the engine, so you don't really feel the effects. Plus, the ECM looks at the FI sensors differently in the higher rpms (roughly above 3K). However, at idle and just off idle, the balance between the two TBs is critical for smoothness and well mannered operation. It will make it hard to start and have poor to crappy throttle response in the low rpm ranges.

You've done everything else and you're not getting any satisfaction. Find someone with some carb sticks or vacuum gauges and set the TB sych. Or buy some just to relieve your headache. You will be amazed how sensitive the engine is to that adjustment. If it starts acting up again soon after you set the TBs, then you will need to take a closer look at the TBs themselves and the intake boots for an intermittent vacuum leak, or worn (loose) TB linkages.

Give it a shot. It is the next logical step.

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Old 03-11-2011, 04:07 AM   #9
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

First thing, quit starting it without allowing it to fully come up to operating temperature. Doing so even once can foul the plugs on the TL, and I suspect that's a big part of your problem. You may have to replace them again before you continue. Next, the idle speed should be 1200 +/-50 rpm. Yours is too low and that will cause problems at idle. Then, as several folks have mentioned, set the TPS and balance the throttle bodies. Until you've taken care of these things you're just wasting your money buying things to solve the problem. Remember, simple things first and there's nothing more basic than making sure it's tuned up properly before you start making changes or chasing problems.
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

well i finally got around to syncing the tb and adjusted the tps, so far it ran good. i put new plugs in also. but it always ran good the first day. just have to see if it acts up again after i test it out the next couple days. cross my fingers. if this doesn't fix it, what else should i be looking into.

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well i finally got around to syncing the tb and adjusted the tps, so far it ran good. i put new plugs in also. but it always ran good the first day. just have to see if it acts up again after i test it out the next couple days. cross my fingers. if this doesn't fix it, what else should i be looking into.

If it does begin to act up in a few days, put the vacuum gages back on it to see which side is pulling less vacuum. It may help you find a vacuum leak you didn't know you had. Chances are you won't need to bother.
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well i finally got around to syncing the tb and adjusted the tps, so far it ran good. i put new plugs in also. but it always ran good the first day. just have to see if it acts up again after i test it out the next couple days. cross my fingers. if this doesn't fix it, what else should i be looking into.

If it does begin to act up in a few days, put the vacuum gages back on it to see which side is pulling less vacuum. It may help you find a vacuum leak you didn't know you had. Chances are however, you won't need to bother.

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Oops.
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Your bike won't run rich. The fight always seems to be keeping it from running lean.

Go do those items mentioned above. It will surprise you how important they are.

idle spec is 1200 rpm.

There is a video of how to do those things under the yellow TL resources tab above.
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So you got it started...

the idle seems low. did you set the TPS and sync the throttle bodies yet? That is the next step. Also, check the rear cyl throttle body boot to make sure it did not pop off the throttle body.

Before you start buying parts blindly, get those things done first. don't worry about the plugs yet.

If you miss the sync of the TB's by just a little, or set the TPS even slightly wrong. It will run like crap, or not at all. Its very sensitive.
Lion has taught me a lot of things over the past couple years about TLs. I have to say, after messing with the throttle bodies and TPS, i've seen MASSIVE results in minor adjustments. Start there. It's helped me.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:10 PM   #15
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you can safely run 8 heat range plugs if you want to.
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Old 03-13-2011, 05:33 PM   #16
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Re: 1999 tl1000r

seems to be doing better. hopfully that was it. thanks for the help everybody. now just have to put it back together
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