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  • #16
    A 97 TLS tested by BIKE MAG made 120bhp at the rear although the claimed crank power was 123bhp.

    The most I have seen a prior 97 TLS make is 110bhp standard with some making as little a 104bhp. I hope to get my hands on a low milage 97 model as it will save me a wedge of cash improving the power of a later model. I would say (please correct me if I am wrong) that the 97 model on average produces between 5-7bhp mon than the 98 onward models.
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    • #17
      I would easily agree with that statement 97 +7BHP

      I've owned a 97 TLS Full M4 Yosh Box Remap K&N and it made way more HP (Felt like Probably 10 more HP) than my current 99 TLS Full Yosh PC2 K&N and Airbox mod.

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      • #18
        see, it aint just me...the bike mag dyno had to have either been a) off calibration or b)they got a ringer from suzuki

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        • #19
          Aren't there differences between Dyno's? Do they all measure the same? It's not like they have a "perfect" tehy can measure and test to calibarate against is it? (Like in a micrometer set?)
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          • #20
            yes. very true, but on the same dyno on the same day back to back is pretty useful info

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            • #21
              Yeah, I agree, but I don't really care 'bout #'s from 3 places on 5 different days at 3 different elevations, when one day was cold and raining and the other day was Mojave hot...

              It's great stuff of bench racing I guess.. I used to be into it all (when I was younder) but now it just doesn't matter to me so much because it all seems relative.
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              • #22
                i agree. it just makes me happy to have lots of hp for cheap. what i really want is more torque. and anyways, the more i ride and get used to my bike, the more i can use the hp....

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                • #23
                  Is it true the 97's don't have a timing retard system, thus don't need a TRE?
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                  • #24
                    only if they have the original ecu. but almost every one has the recalled newr ecu which is the same on all tls then

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                    • #25
                      Ah, I see....
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                      • #26
                        o got an early '97 TLS (full UK spec) that has only had the first ECU swap Can't say i noticed a huuuuge difference power wise over my mates '98 canadian importbike (which has no fairing or intake trumpets), but mine is a lot smoother and crisper. Any way, whats the odd BHP or two here or there ? the cheapest mod for a lard-ass like me is a diet! (bulk helps the handling though............)
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                        • #27
                          I am jumping in here... I have a 97 TLS that I never dynoed stock, but, I did dyno it with a full yosh system and a K&N (if they make a difference ) It made 114 hp and 72lbs/ft. That was on a model 150 dynojet. I also had it dynoed on a 250 dynojet (kart dyno). Funny, it made 122 hp and around 74lbs/ft. Same exhuast but with the very first power commander. I ran it with and without the powercommander, didn't make the $400 difference it should have, virtually nothing. That's Canadian dollars by the way. So now I have done the motor a bit and make 10 hp more throughout the rpm range and 15 lbs/ft at say 4000 rpm and say 8 lbs/ft more at peak for a total of 122 hp and 80lbs/ft of torque. I am using the TLR cams in the built motor so I have a set of 97 TLS cams for sale Starting bids at $500. No just kidding, but how can I measure them up on the bench, I will measure my 97 TLS cams if someone tells me how to do it on the bench. I am not sure how to find the duration of the cam without it being in the bike. I have a caliper and a dial guage with a degree wheel. We can end this argument. Oh ya, Trevor has a 98 TLS with a full Hindle and a techlusion that makes almost as much as my 97 did with the full yosh. Cycle Canada raced a TLS very early in 97 that accually made less HP with the full yosh. That was proven on a dyno before and after. They didn't have the PC I out yet which could have caused a lower reading with the system.
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                          • #28
                            I almost forgot, mine has the ecu update and I did build a tre or aastree or whatever its called and no I didn't notice a difference. I built mine with the 15k resistor and the relay for neutral and a on/off switch so I could feel the difference. It was a waste of time for me, not saying it doesn't work but it didn't work on my bike. I have a PC II with a different map than anything out there. The PC II won't let you adjust the timing below 4000 rpm. I did measure the resistance in each gear and it was different in each one.
                            Screw it, I just ride the piss out of it anyway. I have a good 10 or so horse on my friends TLS but I bet his bike would be faster on a track. Mine is so abrupt and pulls the wheel so hard. His is way smoother.
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                            • #29
                              The ECU's did make a difference, I remember Ian Thom did some comparisons by just swapping various ECU's in & out and it made a difference on his bike. The early (non uprated) ECU made the most HP's, although a small difference.
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                              • #30
                                the original ecu's were crap at idling (worse than the newer ones somehow) and stalled frequently while riding...

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