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    I was just riding my TL1000S home from the workshop where I was reparing my car auto trans which just blew up the end of last week. Made a shift from 2nd to third under low power, but it didn't engage third, it stayed between and rattled and clunked a bit, I immeadiatly pulled in the clutch, and tried again - it engaged, but was makin some really foul noises. So I pushed it 10km home - would be good if Suzuki shaved some more weight off it.

    The noises at the moment sound very much like a missing tooth or two. It only makes the noise when the clutch is released, stationary in gear with the clutch in makes no noise. It seems only when the shaft from the clutch is spinning the noise will occur. In neutral with clutch released will make the same horrible noises.

    Firstly and most importantly, can the gearbox be pulled apart without pulling down the engine too? Does any one have any idea on what part will be broken - are the boxes easy to pull apart? Are there any special tricks? Has anyone had this happen to their TL? and how expensive r gears?

    Many thanks
    Ben

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    1st off push for 10km?

    Bad news,

    Engine out and split in half I believe.

    Sounds like a broken gear.

    Possibly 2nd or 3rd gear shot seeing as they were the gears you were in / out of when it happened. Let me check the manual.

    Check out the TLP fiche http://www.tlplanet.com/parts.shtml The transmission fiche is as clear as the manual (3H-6 in my TLS manual)
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    • #3
      that hurts

      Ouch,
      I know nothing about bikes.

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      • #4
        The cases do need to be split to get to the tranny unfortunetly.
        That sucks man, sorry.
        Have you drained the oil to see if there is any metal in it?

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        • #5
          Re: clunk rattle bang - bugga

          Originally posted by TLS_Ben
          In neutral with clutch released will make the same horrible noises.Ben
          You might want to try having a look at the clutch before splitting the cases if its making noises in neutral. Any number of things there could be causing your problem. Being old I've learned the hard way to check out the easiest stuff first.

          And I must agree with Steve, you pushed it 10k!
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          • #6
            Good idea about checking the clutch 1st - I ran out to the shed and pulled the clutch apart - but nope - deff inside the box. You can turn the input shaft to the gearbox so far, and it locks up, if you give it a fllick upto that point it will pass the lockup point - which to me means the gears are not coming to mesh - where a tooth is missing. I'll let you know how hard it is to get fixed. But unfortunatly I can't work on it right away, cos I'm still trying to fix the gearbox in my car - plus I gotta fix the rotten floor in my rental house - well at least things come in three - so no more surprises down the track I hope.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Steve TLS

              1st off push for 10km?




              Impressive.

              Tough luck on the engine though!


              Hope you get her fixed cheap an nicely...
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              • #8
                you seem to have bad luck with trannies! thats sucks.
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                • #9
                  I pushed mine 10 ft once!

                  I bet you were quite the sweaty hog when you got home.
                  "...But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"

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                  • #10
                    Whats the outcome then?

                    Greetings,

                    Well, this happened bloomin' ages ago but I'd be interested to know what happened/cost in the end.

                    Cheers ears,
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                    • #11
                      Well, yah, fixed it. Suzuki had superceeded the gear that broke - so obviously it was of dubious quality. The box wasn't too hard to get apart - and the engine on the inside looked mint - still looked like fresh hone marks in the barrel after 40,000km.

                      Didn't really have any issues putting the motor back together (no parts surplus to requirement after assembly!!!) - I did put a lil too much oil in the one of the bores when putting the piston back in and it didn't run on that cylinder for the first minute or so. It was really about two days full time work, not helped by the fact I had little idea on what I was doing - tho the manual is a huge help.

                      I think the major contributor to the failure was my dodgy foot - I had a bad snowboard accident a few yrs ago and my foot won't really lift - so upchanges r pretty weak - the superceeded gear also prolly didn't help

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                      • #12
                        Splendid

                        Hey Ben,

                        Cheers for answering so promptly!

                        Sounds like you had yourself some fun, glad it was sorted in the end though. Well, as I've said in another thread, I just don't want it to happen to me and if I can fix it before it happens, thats a good thing. Incidentally, did you use genuine gaskets or paste when you rebuilt?

                        As for yer' dodgy foot, any thoughts on a quickshifter? :o)

                        Cheers ears,

                        Chris
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                        My Tillis: 180 014 on 6" rim (matching front), Bitubo, Sprint ST Steering Damper, Riflemans 1/5, Quik Tank connector, Glass Clutch cover (nearly), PCII, Bauwolf Exhuast cans (nearly), coolant leak again (nearly fixed), air in tyres/tires, petrol in tank, brake pads, me, numberplate, shoeshop, baked beans, Giraffe...

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                        • #13
                          I used silicone on most of it - the head gaskets I cleaned up, then put a layer of spraypaint on to help em seal, I used proper gasket on the starter motor gearbox else I didn't get sufficient clearance, I also used new bottom barrel gaskets. I think total cost 2 gears and gaskets came to $420 NZD - about 140 quid

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                          • #14
                            Tanks' for that Ben, I might just get on the case, literally! It's shame there's no tell-tale signs that it's about to go really, nevermind.

                            Keep the rubber side down fella.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TLS_Ben


                              I think the major contributor to the failure was my dodgy foot - I had a bad snowboard accident a few yrs ago and my foot won't really lift - so upchanges r pretty weak - the superceeded gear also prolly didn't help
                              Flip the lever for GP style shifting.....
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