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**yeller_twin** · 10-23-2003, 07:07 AM

Nope. Need the most filtered air possible. This means a large air box with filter as close to the air inlets as possible. Might breath better wide open, but how often do you run an engine at redline?

**BurnCycle** · 10-23-2003, 07:13 AM

Got to remember that the V-strom and the SV1000 don't use a ram air induction system (SRAD). This setup, although not a good thing for the TL's, may just work on the DL's & SV's.

**yeller_twin** · 10-23-2003, 07:34 AM

Ram air would not really have any effect. Two large displacement cyclinders need a large volume of air each intake stroke. Imagine if you were a cyclinder. Would you rather breathe through a tiny filter or breathe through a large box with filtered air already present? Two small filters are going to have less area than one large one and this would be more restrictive.

http://www.tlplanet.com/forums/showt...&threadid=7367 Some of the more expierenced people here discussed this same subject.

**Rider 414** · 10-23-2003, 07:49 AM

I am not quite sure what the pods would do. Does the strom have a air box? I know the SRAD is not important since top-end isnt the best on a trailie.

A nice fat low-midrange would rock.

**yeller_twin** · 10-23-2003, 08:11 AM

Pods would ruin that mid range.

**BurnCycle** · 10-23-2003, 08:14 AM

Seems to work for them...

**tlrj** · 10-23-2003, 08:17 AM

OK---
Let me help you guy's out some.
I had a Renegade kit on my Mille SP and it did improve throttle response throughout the rev range--especially low end, where it was needed most. The filter material is very much like a JHP Ducati race filter material. Now granted it did remove the airbox altogether and just the bottom plated was used(basically to keep hot air out away of being sucked into the engine). I talked to jorge(renegade) at length about making a kit for the TL-R saying it would be perfect for the street/track day rider.
The K&N and UNI pod filters, I dyno'd, did indeed lose hp on my TL-R compared to stock-JHP. BUT one thing to remember about renegade is they did not require cutting of the bellmouths--these pod type filters are pretty damn big compared to the others. Infact Renegade supplied Mille owners with their choice of tall or short bellmouth's.
I know what works best for my needs on the TL-R---i also figured out what worked best on my Mille for my needs.........
Everyone needs to figure out, for themselfs, what is their needs and go from there----this Renegade kit will provide very good result's for the right rider who doesn't give a damn about speeds over 120mph. It was not a bad set-up for my Mille at Daytona I can tell you truthfully also.

Renegade does not produce a kit for the TL-R at the moment, but I'm sure with alittle chatting Jorge would be willing to do one.........

V-Twins need the most amount of air possible at low/mid rpm for greatest performance.......this much I do know

**yeller_twin** · 10-23-2003, 08:34 AM

Maybe I am putting more than one modification into the equation. I was factoring some type of air box mod. See if you are comparing the pods vs. a stock system then yes you will see an increase. But if you compare pods to a larger air box with a modified filtering system then the box would win. The stock box sucks.... look at all those turns the air has to make (TLR). The filtered air is relatively small compared to the rest of the box (TLR).

Would you trust a company's own dyno work that shows their product as the best? I could run my bike with a tight chain and then a loose chain and get an increase through out the rev range. Suzuki makes some pretty absured claims on hp. TLS vs. TLR

Basically the same eninge, but they claim like a 15 hp differnce.

**tlrj** · 10-23-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by yeller_twin
Maybe I am putting more than one modification into the equation. I was factoring some type of air box mod. See if you are comparing the pods vs. a stock system then yes you will see an increase. But if you compare pods to a larger air box with a modified filtering system then the box would win. The stock box sucks.... look at all those turns the air has to make (TLR). The filtered air is relatively small compared to the rest of the box (TLR).

You will be surprised what does perform best on a TL-R then......stock is alot better than you give credit

**BurnCycle** · 10-23-2003, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by yeller_twin
Suzuki makes some pretty absured claims on hp. TLS vs. TLR Basically the same eninge, but they claim like a 15 hp differnce.

Er...
Forged vs. Cast pistons (higher compression)
Different cam specs
Different throttle bodies
2 vs 1 injector per cylinder
Different air box
Water oil cooler vs air oil cooler
The list keeps going...

Yea, I'd say in theory there is enough of a difference to make up the 15hp.

**yeller_twin** · 10-23-2003, 12:12 PM

Okay, fine. Can I get a hug now?

I will stop arguing, I am bored at work and have nothing better to do.

But I will say that the stock box is not perfect. Could be a lot better. In my opinion pod filters would not be a good way to go. But I don't like a lot of things people do, but they do them anyway. If they claim it works, then there is a good possibility that it will.

I was lead to believe that Suzuki claims this difference in power, but actually they are closer than that. I tried to find a comparison where they used the same dyno, but I cannot. Oh well.

**tlrj** · 10-23-2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by yeller_twin
Okay, fine. Can I get a hug now?

I will stop arguing, I am bored at work and have nothing better to do.

But I will say that the stock box is not perfect. Could be a lot better. In my opinion pod filters would not be a good way to go. But I don't like a lot of things people do, but they do them anyway. If they claim it works, then there is a good possibility that it will.

I was lead to believe that Suzuki claims this difference in power, but actually they are closer than that. I tried to find a comparison where they used the same dyno, but I cannot. Oh well.

if you do a search for me on post's in this subject, you will find that I'm the biggest non-believer in pod type filters(k&n, UNI) , but I did see a great improvement in the Renegade filter material used.........K&N pod filters rob hp on a TL-R(as much as 10hp). UNI pod filters are not much better(6hp). But like I stated the Renegade airkit did show great improvement over the stock set-up being used on the Mille SP.........i believe in ramair--but I also believe a airbox is only going to hold so much static pressure and your engine/efi is only going to be able pull so much air.

This is not a argument on my part with you.......I just stating what I have found, you may find otherwise

**yeller_twin** · 10-23-2003, 01:34 PM

I just noticed that you have been riding longer than I have been alive.

So what are your thoughts on a modified TLR box? Something like this? This is my winter project. I am going to use a stock box base but modifiy to seal on the tank and intake like this one. Any thoughts

**tlrj** · 10-23-2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by yeller_twin
So what are your thoughts on a modified TLR box? Something like this? This is my winter project. I am going to use a stock box base but modifiy to seal on the tank and intake like this one. Any thoughts

I believe that Balzas out of Canada made that airbox set-up. It works well, better than stock for sure. The only part I didn't like was the filter surface area......but it's a trade-off. That set-up is a very good start.....put a post for Art D asking to see his current airbox set-up--this should give you some idea's also. Terry Shepherd did a wonderful job on Art's custom frame-airbox.

Good Luck

Also post some pic's along the way, if you don't mind, other's would like to see also

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