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  • TLR bottom-end & mid-range

    I had a ride of a friends Cagiva V-Raptor 1000 on the weekend and found it had a much stronger bottom end. While putting out at least 20 horsepower less, it would pull my arms and jerk my head with reasonably small throttle openings at low revs. My TLR felt a little strung out and flat compared.

    Is it possible that for some reason my TLR is down on power (been 6,000km since last service) or is it simply gearing?

    Thanks
    Don't cha know the Yellow one's are fastest!

  • #2
    Probably a combo of gearing and the TLS derived engine's more bottom heavy power delivery.

    I usually ride my TLS up on the mountain, but today I rode it on down to the ocean to check out the X-games wakeboarding event. Damn it pulls hard at low rpm at sea level Kinda like it
    "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw

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    • #3
      the TLS motor has cast pistons (heavy) the TLR has forged aluminum pistons(light)

      when I switched my TLS motor for the TLR motor.. I noticed that I lost some Midrange, and some torque from 0-8000 rpm's

      I also noticed that my motor would spin up much faster, and pull like a bastard out of corners.. 8-10,000

      So after a while, I did wanted my midrange back.. so I went 2into1.. Made a huge difference.. Now I got more torque than I had with the old motor, and it's a better torque curve more linear..

      ALTHOUGH it's LOUD AS FUCK.. not really my favorite.. but.. then again.. you can't really complain about it.. lol
      04ktm625smc for (me)
      00ktmDuke for (her)

      ..--{{98TLS_TLRmotor_Marchesinis_Etc}}--..
      \\\wr450 for (dirt)
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      • #4
        Originally posted by tl1ks
        the TLS motor has cast pistons (heavy) the TLR has forged aluminum pistons(light)

        when I switched my TLS motor for the TLR motor.. I noticed that I lost some Midrange, and some torque from 0-8000 rpm's

        I also noticed that my motor would spin up much faster, and pull like a bastard out of corners.. 8-10,000

        So after a while, I did wanted my midrange back.. so I went 2into1.. Made a huge difference.. Now I got more torque than I had with the old motor, and it's a better torque curve more linear..

        ALTHOUGH it's LOUD AS FUCK.. not really my favorite.. but.. then again.. you can't really complain about it.. lol

        Do you have pictures of that 2 to 1 system?
        Is it home made, or which brand is it?
        TL1000R -99. Yellow/Black.
        M4 Full system(Alu), K&N Filter, TRE mod, removed Pair valve. Yoshimura clutch cover, removed Scissor gears, Carbon fibre hugger, carbon fibre rearhugger, HammerIt TLR/R fairings, Gilles Toolings rearset. Pazzo racing levers, shorties, Öhlins rear, Brembo front brakes, ET79 undertail, blah blah blah...
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        • #5
          You hear even the mags talking about when a manufacture tunes a higher revving/Horsepower motor into a stronger low-mid motor at the loss of top-end horsepower.

          I personally think the TLR is a torque monster, but I havent ridden a TLS yet??
          2003 TL1000R

          "Aint ever seen it.....but I have heard it." - Neil

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PutteLiten
            Do you have pictures of that 2 to 1 system?
            Is it home made, or which brand is it?

            Funny you should ask..

            I found this, this morning.. and was wondering who would be interested..

            Two-Bros. 2 into 1 stainless headers with brand new, never mounted, oval aluminum muffler $300

            <img src ="http://www.miahdesign.com/tls_pics/fabParty/DSC00065.JPG">

            <img src ="http://www.miahdesign.com/tls_pics/new_pics/DSC00051.JPG">
            <img src ="http://www.miahdesign.com/tls_pics/new_pics/DSC00056.JPG">




            Mine's the two bros.. like the one for sale here..

            http://pub141.ezboard.com/ftlownersb...cID=3183.topic




            Here's the pics of the system for sale :
            <img src ="http://www.osbro.com/images/robertbclass1.jpg">
            04ktm625smc for (me)
            00ktmDuke for (her)

            ..--{{98TLS_TLRmotor_Marchesinis_Etc}}--..
            \\\wr450 for (dirt)
            \\\JR80 for (scabs)

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            • #7
              HMMM was considering putting in 12:1 forged pistons in this winter. Will the added compression make up in the low end grunt when elimanting the cast pistons.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tl1ks
                Funny you should ask..

                I found this, this morning.. and was wondering who would be interested..

                Two-Bros. 2 into 1 stainless headers with brand new, never mounted, oval aluminum muffler $300


                Mine's the two bros.. like the one for sale here..

                Hmm, if I put that on and the TLRR kit on, I guess I´ll get a few question which model(year) that Gixxer is from...
                And most likely everyone will comment on the magnificent sound that I4 makes.
                TL1000R -99. Yellow/Black.
                M4 Full system(Alu), K&N Filter, TRE mod, removed Pair valve. Yoshimura clutch cover, removed Scissor gears, Carbon fibre hugger, carbon fibre rearhugger, HammerIt TLR/R fairings, Gilles Toolings rearset. Pazzo racing levers, shorties, Öhlins rear, Brembo front brakes, ET79 undertail, blah blah blah...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PutteLiten
                  Hmm, if I put that on and the TLRR kit on, I guess I´ll get a few question which model(year) that Gixxer is from...
                  And most likely everyone will comment on the magnificent sound that I4 makes.
                  Too true..

                  I had a GSXR 1000 owner run up to me in the alley last week..

                  and ask me a bunch of questions about my exhaust.. then after looking at my bike.. wondered which headlight my GSXR had..

                  I laughed.. he was running a 03 GSXR1000 and thought his bike could sound like mine..



                  Yet another uninformed GSXR kid.. lol
                  04ktm625smc for (me)
                  00ktmDuke for (her)

                  ..--{{98TLS_TLRmotor_Marchesinis_Etc}}--..
                  \\\wr450 for (dirt)
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                  • #10
                    HAHAHAHAHHAHAH

                    sewing machines suck ass.
                    Used to ride a '01 TLR

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tl1ks
                      Too true..

                      I had a GSXR 1000 owner run up to me in the alley last week..

                      and ask me a bunch of questions about my exhaust.. then after looking at my bike.. wondered which headlight my GSXR had..

                      I laughed.. he was running a 03 GSXR1000 and thought his bike could sound like mine..



                      Yet another uninformed GSXR kid.. lol



                      TL1000R -99. Yellow/Black.
                      M4 Full system(Alu), K&N Filter, TRE mod, removed Pair valve. Yoshimura clutch cover, removed Scissor gears, Carbon fibre hugger, carbon fibre rearhugger, HammerIt TLR/R fairings, Gilles Toolings rearset. Pazzo racing levers, shorties, Öhlins rear, Brembo front brakes, ET79 undertail, blah blah blah...
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                      • #12
                        As I was slowly working my way through heavy city traffic in Denver this past weekend. I received a bunch of questions and comments from people in the adjoining lanes. Even though the bike has a big SUZUKI decal across the bottom of the fairing, most everyone wanted to know what kind of a bike it was.
                        (not the model, the brand).
                        It's gotta be that V-twin sound. It just blew 'em away. Nobody looks twice at an inline 4 sport bike.

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                        • #13
                          Funny stuff. A guy here at work tried to tell me he had an '03 Gixxer but I could clearly see it was an '02. Crazy cat had a young kid come up to him and say " I have one like that at home but mine is a 750."

                          Yep, funny stuff.
                          RIP Ron
                          Sept. 12 2004

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                          • #14
                            They did make 03 gixxers that aren't the new model. It is quite possible that he purchased it new this year - hence 03 model.
                            Don't cha know the Yellow one's are fastest!

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                            • #15
                              Hmmm, I have not seen nor heard of that. Something to look into.
                              RIP Ron
                              Sept. 12 2004

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